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May 21, 2012

 

Hubwoo and SAP @ Sapphire -- Two Companies, One Team?

Having just returned from SAP Sapphire, I've got a tremendous amount to report on the progress of SAP in their core procurement application areas: SRM, Sourcing (including sourcing, contract management and supplier management), spend performance management and a new solution, Supplier InfoNet. But modules and products aside, one thing that continues to surprise me is the close (and unique) working relationship SAP has with a key partner, Hubwoo. I spoke to numerous folks on both the SAP and Hubwoo teams at the event and when customers inquire about SAP procurement solutions in the cloud, they said they were nearly always referred to the Hubwoo area -- despite the fact that others also offer hosted and managed versions of SAP SRM as part of their BPO partner relationship with the ERP vendor.

SAP is also taking back control in other areas where they were previously 100% dependent on partners (but not in the areas Hubwoo focuses on). For example, Bristlecone, which previously had an exclusive relationship on serving as a services partner for SAP Spend Performance Management (i.e., spend analysis) for deals coming through SAP, now faces competition from, surprise, SAP's own Spend Performance Management services group. Even more curious is that Bristlecone, which many would think could easily best SAP on services prices because of a hybrid onshore/offshore approach, is more expensive than the costs SAP is quoting for deploying, including data acquisition, cleansing and classification. Yes, you read that correctly -- SAP is undercutting the costs of its co-development partner for the product in its pricing in at least one situation we're aware of from a Spend Performance Management standpoint.

But Hubwoo, on the other hand, appears to have a much tighter relationship link with SAP. Based on everything we were able to gather, it seems highly unlikely that SAP would opt to compete against Hubwoo in any type of deals in areas which they could, potentially, overlap with future homegrown solutions (e.g., a hosted version of SAP SRM, supplier network, supplier enablement, etc.). In terms of recent activity, Hubwoo shared with Spend Matters that they are currently in deployment with two customers on their multitenant version of SAP SRM 7.0 -- and should have four customers up and running by the second half of the year (and more transitioned over in the coming quarters into 2012 as older customers begin migrations, should they opt to move onto the newer release).

Interestingly, SAP does have a rapid deployment solution (RDS) at a fixed price with a fixed timed commitment for catalog enablement for SRM, but it seems that whenever a company is interested in rapidly bringing on several suppliers, Hubwoo becomes a key partner to lean on by serving as an extension of the SAP team. It also seems, based on some of our discussions, that SAP's strategy to bring Hubwoo and Crossgate together to form a competing network against Ariba from a connectivity, integration and catalog management perspective is generating material interest among other SAP customers. One group of potential users of this solution appear to be current Quadrem customers, which SAP is trying to woo onto their network and defect from Ariba, and were out window shopping at Sapphire.

SAP and Hubwoo still have their work cut out for them in terms of educating the SAP customer base that the hosted/cloud option exists for SRM -- let alone a cloud-based supplier connectivity offering designed to mirror that of competing supplier networks. It's Spend Matters belief that as SAP/Hubwoo continue to ramp up their education efforts in this area, that a critical enabler of new customer deals and overall SAP SRM awareness (both cloud and otherwise) will be the supplier network that everyone was exonerating at the show. The network also might become a stealth means for Hubwoo to get a foot in the door with SAP to up-sell other services and capabilities as well (e.g., supplier enablement, EIPP, catalog management, etc.).

Regardless, the SAP/Hubwoo vibe coming out of Sapphire appears stronger than ever. I do have my questions about how they plan to address some of the areas they're not currently addressing in their joint solutions relative to Ariba (e.g., supplier search, discovery, dynamic/market-based invoice discounting including third-party bidding, etc.) but all signs suggest the relationship between SAP and Hubwoo is as tight as ever, and it's likely we'll see even more new things to come from both parties in a joint manner.

- Jason Busch


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Baba's Gravatar Hosted is not On Demand Jason and you should know that. So unless you still have a ton of money, high appetite for risk and LOTS of time...SRM/Hubwoo is jut another big IT project...no?
# Posted By Baba | 5/19/11 6:22 AM
Jason Busch's Gravatar There is so much that goes into P2P implementations, even true multi-tenant ones (e.g., supplier enablement) that can determine costs. The key is to look at the total cost on a multi-year basis and forget whether it's cloud, SaaS, hosted, on-deman, etc. Some installed P2P solutions may even be cheaper (e.g., a license for Verian, ePlus, etc.)!

In general, Hubwoo tends to be more economical than SRM installed, but less economical than smaller, best-of-breed alternatives to SAP.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 5/19/11 6:25 AM
Inept Marketing's Gravatar If SAP is committed to CC Hubwoo, why don't they buy them? How does the pitch sound?

Prospect / Customer: To SAP..."I keep hearing about the value of Supplier Networks to my P2P initiative, how does SAP address this?"

SAP Sales guy: "well, we have a great supplier network. Basically, you license SUS (Supplier Self Service), then you also work with CC Hubwoo & Crossgate. Combined, we have the best solution in the space for a supplier network."

Prospect / Customer: "are you crazy? This sounds like a recipe for failure. The combination of three independent solutions to address my business requirements for a supplier network....hmm...No."
# Posted By Inept Marketing | 5/19/11 6:40 AM
Inept Thinking's Gravatar Inept,

You are inept. Or at least not French. Why marry the girl when you can have her as a mistress? Keep her as long as you want and as she ages, no messy divorces.
# Posted By Inept Thinking | 5/19/11 7:27 AM
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