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May 20, 2012

 

Only $675,000 ... What a deal!

This is a true story! How do I know this? I was involved. I know the readers of Spend Matters will love this example of almost getting ... well almost paying too much.

I own a "New York style loft" (whatever that means) in a building in Philadelphia. 30 large condo's were created in an abandoned factory and sold in 2005. Big spaces, lot's of windows, soaring ceilings, great location and a fun place to live. Like most rehabs of this type, the developer had a tight budget and in some cases did the minimal amount work to update the building.

Take for instance the exterior brickwork. The building is a six story "post and beam" turn of the century structure (1900 of course) with telescoping walls that start 6 bricks thick at the bottom floor and decrease to 3 bricks at the top floor. The building is 80’ wide, 130’ long and 82’ in height. Needless to say, that's a lot of bricks.

Outer wall mortar joints for buildings of this type need regular maintenance which consists of re-pointing mortar (commonly known as "tuck" pointing). A really good exterior mortar joint might last 25 years but many begin failing after 15 years. Another problem with buildings of this type -- and from this era -- is "soft brick" that over time flakes, crumbles and takes on an appearance of significant surface degradation. This combined with failing mortar joints creates water penetration issues and the potential for progressive structural damage. So with a building in excess of 100 years and one which had set abandoned for over a decade, it is no surprise that the developer had a lot of repairs to do. The correct way to repair brick is to replace soft brick with new and to cut out and replace all failing mortar. The developer did do some of the repair correctly but he also used a "patch and paint" method where instead of cutting brick out, cement patching was performed, false mortar lines drawn and the patch stained to look like brick. It didn't look bad until after 3 or 4 freeze/thaw cycles which caused the patching to begin breaking loose.

Late last year a decision was made to get a quotation to re-point the building and replace soft brick. The condo board asked the management company to secure the bid. They came back with a proposal for $675,000. The condo board was concerned with this price. It would have meant an assessment of $22,500 for each unit owner. Of course a recommendation was made to conduct a competitive bidding process. We found 9 local masonry contractors, held a pre-bid conference, solicited bids, reduced the competition to 4 contractors after the initial bids were received, met face to face with each finalist, tightened our specification and rebid. The result ... we selected an established and very qualified mason contractor who bid $180,000.

Seems impossible doesn’t it. Well not actually. Folks pay too much everyday whether they are individual consumers, small business or large corporations. It's simple ... if you don't make suppliers compete, you will pay more than you need to pay. I could say and assume a lot of things about the management company and the supplier that gave us the $675,000 bid. But I won't to protect the guilty. By the way ... we've changed management companies.

- Gregg Brandyberry


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Mike's Gravatar Greg,

I'm surprised to hear you didn't auction it. had a similar occurrence with a condo I own in MA. 5,000 sq ft of 2" Slate for a roof. Management company ran the quote process and came in @ 300k. Introduced them to an auction tool and convinced the owners it was a viable method - they were amazed at where we ended.
# Posted By Mike | 3/25/10 11:15 AM
Lisa Reisman's Gravatar Greg, You and Jason should compare notes (he sits on our condo board). We've also learned that scope creep is alive and well in the condo repair world. I'm sure that even if the low bid ends up doubling (they always seem to find more problems then what they bid), you will be better off. It's amazing how little price transparency exists in these types of building construction trades!
# Posted By Lisa Reisman | 3/25/10 2:07 PM
gregg brandyberry's Gravatar Great comments and I totally agree with doing an auction. So this gives me an opportunity to present a new offering that my business partner (Dr. Jason Magidson) and I have been developing for the past 18 months. It's called Sourcing Factory and you can find it on www.sourcingfactory.com It's the Beta version so we are still adding content and improving the user experience .... but it's inexpensive ($29.95 per event) and really easy to use. It's free to register for both buyers and sellers. so I really appreciate your comment and if Sourcing Factory had been available when this project was going on I certainly would have used it. I'm currently rehabbing a building in the midwest and have used Sourcing Factory on every project over $1000. As an example I just saved $875 on having the building painted. Here's how it worked. I had 4 Painters quote the work and the quotes ranged from $4400 to $5275. I then used Sourcing Factory and the winning bid was $3525. I asked the winning Painter how he could do this at this price and he said "look, I want to get work and I'm willing to compete .... I'll do just fine on this project". Sourcing Factory is free to register. You pay only $29.95 per event. The Buyer is in control .... but of course the supplier benefits because of the business award. We also have a free Affiliate program that we will be announcing soon ... so register and we will keep you informed.
# Posted By gregg brandyberry | 3/25/10 7:23 PM
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