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March 19, 2010

 

Friday Rant: Gartner's End-User Shield Can Only Deflect So Much

In a response to my post from earlier this week titled Gartner: Abandon Blog, Debbie Wilson saw fit to challenge some of my arguments noting that what has kept the midnight oil burning and prevented her from blogging as much as she would like is the "boatload of inquiries from end user clients that are interested in procurement technologies such as spend analysis, strategic sourcing, e-procurement and contract management". Debbie also suggested that I was wrong in my post in regards to suggesting that the Gartner compensation / bonus models encourage consulting and speaking days with vendors. And then she challenged the Spend Matters model and how I spend my time in a follow-up comment (which she's not let me respond to yet on her blog, a point that I'll get to in a minute).

Debbie also made a swipe at blogs that prioritize quantity over "quality" in her words. And as a final point, she notes that "while I clearly welcome open discussion of the market and of needs in the blogsphere, what I value most for input into my research is the private conversations I have day in and day out with end users". Hmmm ... dissecting her post and subsequent comments for a moment, it would appear Debbie is trying to distance the "end-user" driven research agenda that Gartner works on from other models. But let me get back to this later in my column.

I tried to respond to Debbie with a follow-up comment at 11:14 AM CST yesterday, but as of last night at 10:25 PM CST, she did not let my response get past moderation so I'll reprint it below. But before I do, it's worth noting that I find it curious that my first comment on Debbie's blog was approved in minutes, but this one was left hanging for 12 hours and counting. Alas, perhaps this is a good metaphor for the traditional analyst top-down opaque model, but I won't go there. Here was my comment:



Debbie,

Let me answer both your response and then your question.

1) If this is the case, I do stand corrected [regarding compensation models of analysts]. However, it did not use to be this way (I'm waiting for some calls I have into those close to the Gartner organization at this time to find out specific compensation incentives in the new model -- (base and bonus) -- and I will retract my statement if things have changed. Moreover, I would still suggest that there's a significant inherent challenge of having your largest clients as vendors (e.g., SAP/Oracle/MSFT) but still claiming to serve the practitioners first. This fact alone makes hiding behind the end-user argument a bit difficult for me to swallow.

2) In regards to Spend Matters, you're absolutely right that we eat what we kill. However, if I'm not viewed as objective, the blog would completely lose influence and readers would throw me under the bus by being able to comment on everything we say. We have no brand to stand behind other than our own and Spend Matters would not be where it is today without the level of transparency it provides. Also, you'll be pleased to know that an increasing percentage of my time, specifically, and revenue is coming from advisory time with practitioners.

I'd still contend at the end of the day that Spend Matters is far more transparent than firms that do not make client disclosures (you can see my client disclosures on the blog). Also, if you or your readers are interested on this subject in more depth, see two related posts:

Friday Rant: Do We Need a Thicker Skin

Frida Rant: Of Waves, Quandrants and Vendor Comparisons

Thanks,
Jason


So from Debbie's response to my comments, should we believe that the analyst model is changing and that Gartner is going back to its original end-user roots (from decades ago)? Perhaps, yes. Perhaps, no. But to me the more important question is whether or not the Gartner research model is as effective and transparent as it could be. Like Gartner, I spend a tremendous amount of time talking and meeting with end-users (not to mention consultants who implement technology and consult on process change and strategy). But the difference with independent firms and Gartner is that I'm not limited in just talking to clients. In my case, I actually spend far greater portions of time talking to non-clients on the practitioner side (who, in fact, represent a far broader cross section of the market). In fact, as of Thursday AM this week, I had taken three calls from practitioners who were not clients and that I had not yet spoken to before in an advisory capacity. But I took the calls because I wanted to trade thoughts with them on the on upcoming decisions they were making. In contrast, the Gartner model does not allow for these interactions.

In addition, I still maintain that vendor influence in certain areas at Gartner is overt from the largest vendors (versus smaller ones). After all, if my sources are correct (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), SAP and Oracle are larger than any of their non-vendor clients. And these vendors tend to have a disproportionate showing -- recently and historically -- in quadrants versus the actual reality of how they stack up in the market (not to mention actual adoption and usage). In addition, I have heard from multiple smaller and middle-sized providers that Gartner won't give them the time of day unless they become research clients or until they hire Gartner to come on-site and advise them. Sure, they make the occasional report or two, but there's a difference between keeping up appearances and a sincere commitment to covering and getting to know the broader market.

At the end of the day -- and at the end of this rant -- I believe the more things that Gartner claims to have changed, the more things stay the same. In my view, there is an inherent problem from primarily interacting with -- and profiting primarily from -- larger providers and user clients, but not a broader section of the market that is not paying you (for either influence or advice). This is not a problem with Debbie or her research. Rather, it's further proof to me that traditional analyst models can handicap the quality of the individuals working at the firms.

In my role, I am lucky enough to have the freedom to talk and spend time with anyone I wish -- client and non-client, practitioner and non-practitioner. And if readers have a problem with what I have to say, they can either challenge it or change the dial entirely. At larger analyst firms, individuals often lack the time, flexibility and transparency to pursue a similar agenda, spending their working hours with anyone they please regardless of commercial or non-commercial affiliation. And that's why, at least in my view, the traditional analyst model is on the decline (except in the case of outstanding individual analysts who have built brands for themselves and their teams that transcend the broader firm).

Increasingly, I believe companies will turn to other sources -- including fellow practitioners directly, blogs, management consultants, benchmarking firms, and others -- in addition to consulting traditional analyst channels for technology, service provider and outsourcing advice. In fact, I see this happening everyday -- with the exception of AMR Research -- and large-firm analyst influence declining in general in the procurement and supply chain areas (especially when IT is not driving the buying decision). Because after all, if the analyst buck stops with paying end users (and vendors), then we might as well toss in the vendor selection towel right now and start drinking the Gartner punch, letting end-users sip first, but making sure the mixture is funded and spiked by you know who ...

- Jason Busch

Comments
I take no sides!!

However, I have been asked on several occasions (by non-vendors) what my thoughts are re the extent of the influence of vendors (SAP / Oracle) on the vendor rankings / waves / quadrants.

So whatever the case may be, there is definitely a sense in the marketplace that there is influence impacting the ranking - and as we know it is not just something that potentially impacts Gartner.
# Posted By Gregg Barrett | 6/26/09 5:42 AM
I will not speak to Debbie Wilson specifically but I will relay a personal experience with Gartner in the past regarding consulting days. Gartner received a call from an end-user client who asked about our solution and we were in a sales cycle with them. The response from Gartner, whom we had not briefed, was not "we are not familiar with them" which would have been an honest response. Rather, they told our prospect "they are a non-player and we cannot recommend them". When word got back to us about this experience, we set about remedying the situation. On the advice of an expert we knew who had worked with Gartner before, we hired the same Gartner analyst for a consulting day and eventually became a research client. That did the trick. I believe the access we bought was not a dollar-for-dollar trade (recommend us for dollars) -- but it was access. Go figure.
# Posted By Gartner Consulting Days Work | 6/26/09 6:08 AM
Debbie has a genuine intellectual curiosity about the space, and she is not buffaloed by large vendors. Nevertheless, every analyst is bombarded with spin from their vendor contacts. Inevitably, that spin sneaks into blogs or reports written by the analyst. This blog is no exception.

Nevertheless, the traditional model is broken precisely as Jason lays it out above, and there's simply no getting around that. Every analyst, including Jason, will make errors of judgment from time to time. Nobody is perfect. But it is certainly indisputable that the traditional model makes it much more difficult to be even-handed.
# Posted By Friend of Debbie | 6/26/09 7:24 AM
For a long time, I've suggested that analyst firms follow the KLAS (http://www.klasresearch.com/) approach to ranking and looking at vendors which is based almost entirely on the customer experience. In healthcare, KLAS rankings are golden -- what Gartner was in the very early going for ERP and hardware. There is no one who is trusted today in the same way in our space or the broader enterprise software market.

Regarding Debbie, I agree she has a clear intellectual curiosity and capability. I just believe she's handicapped by the firm's model. And she does not have the type of truly bow-down-we-are-not-worthy expert respect like a Yvonne Genovese or the wit and man-about-town nature of a Bruce Richardson which commands respect, albeit for a different reason. It is only these types of analysts that can escape the gravitational force of the planets they circle (sorry for the cheese ball metaphor, but I saw the new Star Trek movie last night).
# Posted By Jason Busch | 6/26/09 8:04 AM
From my view there's a new reality that end users have far more choices in seeking counsul and advice concerning technology selections. They can certainly call on an industry analyst firm, or they can turn to other sources such as independent bloggers, consultants or industry peers.

What's changed is the fact that the Internet and social media facilitates many more sources of interaction and dialoque today, and decision-makers literally have far more options to call upon for advice.

Many industry analyst firms are attempting to join this phenomena through blogs of individual analysts.

The problem I see is that industry analyst business models sometimes conflict with the overall purpose of blogs, that being to share quality content and facilitate dialoque. Gartner and other firms sell access to analysts, and there lies the conflict.

Bob Ferrari
Ex-analyst and blogger
# Posted By Bob Ferrari | 6/26/09 11:38 AM
We have had an experience with another analyst/advisory firm similar to experience of the above poster named "Gartner Consulting Days Work." An existing client needed top-level approval to do a bigger deal with us. When their exec asked their advisor (who we were not a client of) for advice whether or not to move forward, the advisor said "I've never heard of them. I recommend avoiding them."

We lost the deal based 100% on that "advice."

Jason, you do a great job of educating practitioners about the dirty way that the analyst field works. But let me say something additional that pulls no punches...

If you (or your staff) have heard of a vendor and your advisor hasn't - or if you consider a vendor a "player" and your advisor doesn't - FIRE YOUR ADVISOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell are you paying someone for when they, as an "expert," know less about a vendor than you do?!?!?!?!?!

If you know of or think highly of a vendor that your advisor doesn't, your advisor is either incompetent or a liar/shill. Either way, they don't deserve your business.

Sadly, I also see the potential for bloggers who accept engagements falling under the same type of questionability. It's hard to serve two masters and be seen as objective, even if one is.
# Posted By Analyst Skeptic | 6/26/09 11:42 AM
For all of those reading Bob's commentary, I want to correct one thing. Bob is still an analyst -- he is just hanging out his own shingle. Either as practitioners or vendors, if you need supply chain or supply risk advice on technology or process strategy, he should be at the top of your list. He also knows far more about procurement than he lets on.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 6/26/09 12:18 PM
Jason, you know I am tough on my former peers on my blog. But it's never black and white. For every one of you who works his butt off there are plenty of lazy and un-objective bloggers. Vice versa there are outstanding and tough analysts like Ray Wang of Forrester, Phil Fersht of AMR, Jim Holincheck of Gartner etc. And outstanding journalists like David Pogue at NYT who covers gadgets and other consumer tech.

So, I see the influencers I respect has less to do with the badge they wear but the work and and the ethics they live by.

Having said that there is a certain expectation that an analyst produce better, earlier analysis because their fees are so much higehr The reality is the analyst firms only pay their analysts less than 20% of revs. Most goes in to SG&A. So, hopefully the market sees that too and starts to spread its dollars around.

Too many buyers and vendors buy the brand, not the individual contributors...
# Posted By vinnie mirchandani | 6/28/09 11:27 AM
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