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March 19, 2010

 

Godfather of KPO and McKinsey Director Anil Kumar Arrested

I usually don’t cover stories like this, but because of the importance of the subject and some personal connections, I thought it would be worth offering up an insider take (pun intended). Earlier today, as reported in the Wall Street Journal and Market Watch, a billionaire hedge fund manager was arrested for insider trading. "So what?" you might say. Another financial fat cat will end up in Club Fed. Madoff this year, Raj Rajaratnam next. But there’s a fascinating side note to this story in that a McKinsey Director, Anil Kumar, one of the industry's godfathers of knowledge process outsourcing (KPO), was also arrested as part of the scheme. A friend once told me that McKinsey does not make many mistakes when promoting to the partner level (I’ve worked with a number of former McKinsey consultants over the years and can vouch for this). But he told me they never make a mistake when promoting to Director (the equivalent of senior partner). Well, maybe not until now.

Perhaps a little bit of history is in order in this case. Kumar, who was arrested with a number of other executives earlier today in the same insider trading scandal, was no typical consulting partner. As mentioned above, he was a leader and innovator in the area of knowledge process outsourcing. According to the book Information Systems Outsourcing: Enduring Themes, Global Challenges, and Process Opportunities edited by Rudy Hirschheim, “The international consulting firm McKinsey initiated a project in 1995 led by Anil Kumar to exploit reductions in global telecommunications rates that would create opportunities for 'remote business services' … this led McKinsey to establish a knowledge center in Delhi whereby staff and researchers would develop models and analyse trends for McKinsey consultants worldwide.” Another Director, who I used to work closely with at FreeMarkets, Jane Kirkland, ran McKinsey’s global knowledge management operation (including overseeing the Delhi operation). And Amit Bhatia, who reported to Jane from Delhi and later served as our Indian country GM at FreeMarkets, ran the research operation for McKinsey in Delhi.



Both Amit and Jane were big fans of what the offshore model did for McKinsey’s ability to leverage existing intellectual property (e.g., research, frameworks, etc.) not to mention to rapidly turn around analysis to make their entire consulting organization more effective and profitable, allowing Western teams to deliver more quickly. This model has particular relevance in the procurement and supply chain sectors when it comes to researching such areas as global supply markets, commodity research, hedging strategies, running financial analyses, building financial models, and classifying / analyzing spend data, etc. More recently, many other offshore providers (e.g., Smart Cube) have tried to emulate -- sometimes successfully, sometimes not -- what Kumar, Jane and Amit originally created. But in the case of the copycat models, they're doing it both for end user clients and other consulting firms who leverage these KPO back offices.

In any event, I suppose only time will tell whether or not Kumar is convicted or exonerated. I suspect given the fact that McKinsey so heavily vets those moving into a Director level role -- on all levels, including the character of the individuals up for promotion -- that there is a reasonable chance that Kumar might be found innocent if his past behavior is any indication of the ethics he brought with him into his Director role. Regardless, one thing is most certainly for sure in this case and potentially others like it. And that is the fact that consultants should never compromise client data or trade -- or encourage others to trade -- on insider information. Granted, the compliance function at strategy consulting firms is usually not as tight as it is at an investment bank or a large accounting firm, but perhaps it should be.

- Jason Busch

Comments
Check out the IBM angle on the story. Moffat (also arrested) ran IBM's procurement and supply chain operations in addition to lots of other functional areas. Everything reports up into him. I feel real secure knowing your favorite BPO provider, Jason, has such ethics at the top.

"Robert W. Moffat, Jr. is senior vice president and group executive, IBM Systems and Technology Group. Named to this position in July 2008, Mr. Moffat is responsible for all IBM hardware offerings as well as the microelectronics division, which translates IBM research and development into semiconductor solutions for IBM systems and OEM clients. In addition, the company’s integrated supply chain operations, which include global manufacturing, procurement and customer fulfillment, report to him."
# Posted By you missed another angle | 10/16/09 1:58 PM
"Godfather" was, perhaps, an inappropriate term to use...
# Posted By oops | 10/16/09 2:15 PM
unfortunate. but hopefully an indication of more to come on the financial greed that almost brought the system down.
# Posted By idocare | 10/16/09 2:41 PM
If this is true, this could have serious implications for the firm ...

From Reuters.

"From approximately August 2008 until around October 2008, Rajaratnam, Kumar and others engaged in insider trading based on Inside Information pertaining to AMD. Kumar obtained Inside Information regarding certain of McKinsey's , including AMD, and communicated it to Rajaratnam in violation of duties of trust and confidence Kumar owed to McKinsey and its clients. For example, on Aug. 15, 2008, Kumar told Rajaratnam that the parties to a deal involving AMD had "shaken hands," and that Rajaratnam could "now just buy" AMD stock. Rajaratnam then shared this information with Chiesi. On Sept. 11, 2008, Kumar told Rajaratnam that the deal involving AMD was "gonna be October, first week." Rajaratnam caused the Galleon Technology Funds to trade on the basis of this Inside Information, and Kumar stood to benefit because he was a direct or indirect investor in one or more hedge funds affiliated with Galleon."
# Posted By Jason Busch | 10/16/09 4:06 PM
Met with Anil Kumar on a few occasions in the late 1980s, found him arrogant and "a little bit above" the rest of us. Frequently it is this attitude that causes individuals to engage in behavior, such as insider trading, that they rationalize and assume they can engage in without incrimination. A pity. Truth in the saying that 'pride comes before a fall.'
# Posted By Sam S | 10/16/09 5:27 PM
Just two points: These very accomplished successful people couldn't have been taking this enormous stupid risk for a small slice of a one-off $20M deal. This wasn't a transaction but a relationship.

The last time I dealt with a McKinsey know-it-all he wasn't buying our idea for bank portfolio diversification. His clients didn't either. All gone.
# Posted By Drew | 10/16/09 5:45 PM
I'm sorry, but McKinsey is so full of itself. Anyone who claims that they never make a mistake is, well, wrong. At best, they're amoral technocrats; at worst, they're hucksters and criminals - we need not be reminded that they founded Enron and supplied many of its criminal employees. The world would be better off without this organization.
# Posted By Mark | 10/16/09 6:19 PM
Why am i working when I should be stealing to get ahead?
# Posted By greg | 10/16/09 6:20 PM
What I find most disturbing about this article is not that somebody making a ton of money already decided to cheat the system and make tons more money. Cause that happens all the time.

What disturbs me is there is a TLA for KPO, and that you can type the title of a book called, "Information Systems Outsourcing: Enduring Themes, Global Challenges, and Process Opportunities" without cracking yourself up or sprouting horns on your head.

Yes, I'm in management too, and yes I hate unions, but can't you realize what all this crap is doing to America? Not everybody can work at McDonalds (all the illegal aliens already have those jobs anyway). I say hang the guy for the KPO. Screw the insider trading.
# Posted By Offshore This | 10/16/09 7:49 PM
Suuuuure, Mckinsey doesnt make mistakes! Just look at the Anil Kumar story, and the other one from last year. Another brilliant consultant duped by a con man.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/art...
# Posted By Jason | 10/16/09 7:56 PM
seems odd a billionaire would do risk his career for only $20m. this thing could potentially be much bigger.
# Posted By jew | 10/16/09 9:29 PM
The best and the brightest from India for sure. Geniuses America's economy can't do without. Intel and McKinsey. McKinsey is also headed by an Indian CEO. Their purpose is to shove American jobs out to India so that otherwise unemployable Indian workers can have jobs. The whole thing is just one tiny part of the India, Inc. fraud racket. Just like when Countrywide sent mortgage applications to India for processing and they ended up being processed by people who, until then had never seen a light switch. Way to go corporate America. Another big win.
# Posted By Bobo | 10/16/09 9:37 PM
yeah, outsource to china instead! we do your work much cheaper.
# Posted By yi zhao | 10/16/09 9:43 PM
Bobo - the CEO is a Canadian by the name of Dominic Barton, the past CEO (for 6 years) was a brit named Ian Davis. Get your facts straight and then spout the racist nonsense.
# Posted By Adam | 10/17/09 6:56 AM
This is just another chapter is what an Indian economist described as India's "friendly takeover of the world" :

“…The process is in its infancy still. But remember that most H1-B visa holders will become US residents, and bring over several family members too. Something similar will happen in Germany and other Western countries. So, in a few decades, we can look forward to the creation of a huge global brainpower network of 50 million people of Indian origin. These will constitute a tiny fraction of the global population, but a big slice of the influential global population. “

“…They will matter in academics, business, stock markets, law, medicine and the arts. And so they will matter in politics too…”

Now that they have access to our financial data, they will use it to enrich themselves.

Fight offshoring and outsourcing to India. This is our data, and we deserve to have it in our country.

And didn't Matt Tiabi of Rolling Stone imply that packs of Indians working at investment banks sliced and diced the derivatives that caused the sub-prime meltdown?

Finally, no need to play the race card. The Indian offshoring lobby started the rhetorical race war by deeming Americans too stupid to do "maths".
# Posted By Kevin | 10/17/09 8:03 AM
Yes, the Indians definitely started the insult contest. When I was laid off back in 2001, they started coming onto job hunting boards. They were telling us we deserved to lose our jobs and that they were taking over. I was solemnly assured that any Indian was "best and brightest" compared to any American. And, once I realized that they outnumbered us 3-4 to one (depending on which figures you use), and how they had managed to crowbar their way in on guestworker visas, my stomach sank. I used to do short term contractor work, and was astonished how much easier it was to get work with major US companies that way, as opposed to applying for a "permanant" job. Well, somebody left that door open, and now many of them are in positions as hiring managers and preferred vendors. No wonder Americans are finding it so hard to get jobs, while they keep coming in by the jumbo jetload, even in a devastating era of job losses.
# Posted By Bart | 10/17/09 8:14 AM
It just shows that Indian nationals and companies are out to take our companies. First they displace Americans out of work by means of the H1-b, L1 visas and outsourcing.

Americans should wake up to this invasion.
# Posted By debug | 10/17/09 8:15 AM
Wonder if this chap is related to Sanjay Kumar who was jailed for falsifying financial date to jack up the price of Computer Associates stock. The "License Raj" mentality of these characters goes hand in glove their corrupt business practices and sense of entitlement.
# Posted By Born in the USA | 10/17/09 8:28 AM
Anil Kumar and Rajat Gupta are bosom buddies. They sit on the board of Indian School of Business (ISB) (read article in link). This is what they teach in the business school. Am sure people will now think twice when hiring from this place.

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/jul20...
# Posted By Slurer | 10/17/09 10:17 AM
ISB is in the AP Province, which is known as the capital of fraud and corruption amongst the Indian community. This is where the majority of H-1B scams originate from. It would appear that these ISB graduates are now entrenched in high places and spreading their culture of corruption to our country's institutions.
# Posted By Kevin | 10/17/09 10:29 AM
What's new? It's their culture to lie steal cheat and anything else to take from others. That's the caste system in action. Americans are just Dailits to these people.
IBM, what can you say? They have become the scum of the corporate world. Layoff Americans and hire H1b's is their motto.
# Posted By proamerica | 10/17/09 11:37 AM
I'm saddened at the level of anti-Indian rhetoric here. Seriously everyone, this could have happened to Irish Americans. It could have happened to black Americans. It could have happened in China, Australia ... you name it. Please do not confuse the off-shoring issue with language and arguments that are ethnically demeaning and below the level of debate. In my home state of Illinois, there's far more corruption than there is India in most provincial governments -- without question. And look where the current President of the US came from (and don't tell me for a minute he and Rahm were not in cahoots with the city of Chicago and Springfield). My point is that corruption exists everywhere and this could have involved individuals of any race, ethnicity, religion and nation.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 10/17/09 11:54 AM
The xenophobia in this forum knocks me out (almost). But the point of cronyism/ corruption being rampant in Indian diaspora is not inaccurate. Friends/ relatives in India don't understand what the big deal is about insider trading .. that's how stock market moves happen in Dalal St (Wall St of Mumbai), and how fortunes are made (& lost). However, this cronyism is not unique to India or China. Think NYC of 1929 was any different?

However, tarring the entire Indian diaspora with one brush shows limited thinking in this forum .. the prosecutor himself (Preet Bharara) is also Indian-American.

PS. Sanjay Kumar (Comp. Assoc. CEO who went to jail) is Sri Lankan, just like Rajaratnam.
# Posted By TreasuryArtist | 10/17/09 12:04 PM
I had opportunity to see Anil Kumar in action a number of years back. Arrogant, indeed--in this regard he stood out in a firm full of arrogant people. I found him intellectually bankrupt, someone who wouldn't know an original idea if it bit him on the dick. To suggest that he was the pioneer of anything stretches credulity beyond the breaking point.
# Posted By me2 | 10/17/09 1:02 PM
Sad to see the anti-Indian rhetoric. As one of the many Americans of Indian origin who has lost her job to the bleak economy and wall street corruption, take a look around. Everyone suffers due to greed of a few. Tarring people with the same brush is double the pain for those who are in doldrums despite hard work, responsible choices. With Martha Stewart, no one tarred the Polish Americans. With Bernie Madoff, no one tarred Jewish Americans. Greed is a disease that afflicts humans.
# Posted By citizen | 10/17/09 1:16 PM
People shouldn't be surprised at the anti-Indian rhetoric. The Indians have brought the bullying caste-culture to the American I.T. industry and many IBM'ers have been forced to train their low-wage, low-skill replacements.

Now we see the connection. That is why IBM is referred to as "Indian Bowel Movement".
# Posted By Karma Police | 10/17/09 1:57 PM
I find it funny that everyone here is drawing the Indian connection ...

To equate Sri Lankens with Indians is the equivalent of calling a Mexican a Canadian.

I sincerely hope that the conversation rises above this level. It is clear why some readers of this are looking for jobs ...
# Posted By outsource this! | 10/17/09 2:09 PM
Finally, folks speak the truth, that the Indian community are a bunch of arrogant elitists. Of course they're taking our jobs and are part of the greed equation. Of course they see Americans as below them, but American companies welcome them with open arms, so we should blame the CEOs. Why shouldn't they look at America as stupid, because we are for letting this happen. I love watching the CEO of IBM cozy up to Obama, while he outsources the h**l out of his company with one hand and lays off thousands with the other.

I love it ... IBM = Indian Bowel Movement. Bravo!
# Posted By 100% | 10/17/09 4:26 PM
Indians are worse workers in the world, they lie. steal. fraud and cheat. they always take credit for someone else's work and their egos are sky high. never hire them. they steal data and work and.
trust me only hire native Americans
# Posted By stephen smith | 10/17/09 4:40 PM
This hit looks politically motivated. With insider trading likely to be industry-wide, and Goldman Sachs generating half of the volume on the NYSE, using dark pools, flash trading, government connections, CEO golf outings and enormous market power, they seem like a more likely target. Clearly, the enforcers target the politically-weak, in this case, immigrants and former employees of a defunct investment bank. Perhaps the SEC, hyper-motivated to make a hit after Madoff, yet afraid of angering the powerful, will go after those who appear weak. I hardly think these professionals deserve the slam they got over $20 M given the billions they manage. Remember, you are only hearing one side of the story, let's reserve judgment until after the accused give theirs.
# Posted By america | 10/17/09 5:06 PM
100% -- You need counseling.
# Posted By america | 10/17/09 5:15 PM
America, Just read the posts and you'll see most have a problem with outsourcing to India and losing jobs. As for Indian ethics, again, read the posts. I am not saying all Indians are this way, but in business they are the overwhelming force taking over the American landscape. Stereotypes stick for a reason.
# Posted By 100% | 10/17/09 5:30 PM
100% -- Think through this McKinsey problem: We live on a planet of 6 B people, and the USA represents about 350 M of them. In the USA, most of us have cars, lights and/or smartphones. About 2 B people have heard about these technology gadgets and they want them. Over time, they are likely to buy them. Who are they going to buy them from? A company that produces the highest quality at the lowest price or a bloated hegemony that produces products no one wants -- like GM and MOT. Get a clue. The outsourcing idea is a way for us to tap into highly-skilled/low-wage talent to product higher quality products at a lower price to sell on a global basis to compete with Asians. The Indians are doing us a favor...and hopefully we will make them our trading partners. Or maybe we will step up to the plate and improve our schools broadening what's offered in the Ivy league. Who knows, maybe we will be able to lead in the world market by stepping up to the world standard for the elites. We sure can't improve our game without rivals.

Stephen Smith -- you aren't worth a comment. Please go away.
# Posted By america | 10/17/09 5:48 PM
America, Yes, I understand the concept of competition and I'm a MMB six Sigma (and an Ivy Leaguer), so I know just where you're coming from and some of it is true, but its difficult for me to watch my colleagues (possibly myself in time) lose work outsourcing to India. I watch the guys (and girls) come over and step in their places and they have no clue as to what to do next. What do you think happens next? I (as well as many others) end up training them and doing their work for them, because they catch on slowly or not at all (all the while act like they are above the Americans). Sure, I'd love for this nation to step up and create the standard, but corporate CEOs look for the quick fix...hire outside, outsource for lower wages and cull the resources that built the company. Its a vicious cycle where the American worker ends up with the short end of the stick, no matter how good they are. Just want you to consider that there is a lot of anger out there over being tossed aside for the mighty dollar. That's enough for me.
# Posted By 100% | 10/17/09 6:36 PM
It's perhaps not surprising to see these xenophobic comments--but it's always sad to see the worst of American insecurity. I say: if you have a problem with Indian skilled workers coming to the US, why don't you get a proper education yourself? It's not that Americans can't develop the skills required for these industries, it's that they choose not to pursue them. Look at what college educated American study--the overwhelming number of grads are humanities, with very few science and engineering. The Indian education system prepares its youth better for the marketplace. End of story.
# Posted By wizened | 10/17/09 6:40 PM
Ask yourself, how far back do I trace my roots in America?

Even though we are a nation of immigrants, each successive wave of immigration throughout our history has encountered the same sorts of hostile feelings from those who feel displaced.
# Posted By wizened | 10/17/09 6:52 PM
100% --
1. Demand credit for your work. If co-workers aren't capable of doing the work, document it, force a change, or move somewhere you can. It's America.
2. If you are Ivy with technical expertise, move to finance or sales, vie for the CFO, Head of Sales or Head of a Division. Recognize the top slots go overwhelmingly to Americans with Ivy degrees, sales competence or finance backgrounds...not to geeks.
3. Go for the gold.
# Posted By america | 10/17/09 7:00 PM
Dear Stephen smith,

Don't spit venom like this. Out of the six arrested, two were of Indian origin, the rest were American origin. Greed is everywhere, whether it is Indian or US, greed has spread it's wings to the nook and corner of the world. So please don't be a cry baby, greed does not belong to any nationality, but it's simply human. We need to have better regulatory and transparent security systems which can monitor such frauds.

regards

Sekhar
# Posted By Sekhar | 10/18/09 8:40 AM
I really hope that those folks with such anger writing on this thread would better spend the time encouraging positive change (e.g., encouraging our government to not pass another stimulus or work on some crazy free spending health-care program, but rather to encourage businesses with tax breaks to hire you back). I, for one, run a small business and would absolutely consider hiring an extra $50-$75K resource next year (+ healthcare and pension) if the tax breaks added up. If not, I'll keep my money and work with contractors, off-shore and on, depending on what's needed. And I guarantee, there's thousands of others like me on a much bigger scale sitting on the fence as well, especially given an uncertain economic outlook.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 10/18/09 11:28 AM
Isn't it ironic that the Prosecutor (or is it the Persecutor) is also south asian? They have all entered the Matrix :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/nyregion/10bhara...
# Posted By sam stewart | 10/18/09 11:41 AM
I post again as an American Indian who has lost her job. I don't blame other countries wanting to come up. Why should the US let go of technology, why should it have lax rules for the greedy companies who want to offshore for profit? Those folks are not Indian. They are our politicians, our American companies, and our own Wall Street. Do they have a race, an ethnicity? Look around you those who attack the Indians. There are so many Americans of Indian origin who have lost jobs, homes, and cut back incredibly. It is terrible to see the scapegoating and xenophobia when trouble hits. It is double whammy for the new immigrants who embrace this country with in sickness and health, for better or for worse. Why blame another country for wanting to come up if we ourselves let them to do so? Would we take a backseat if we had that opportunity? I don't think so. We need to take back America to the helm through policies and foresight. Whether it is greed or xenophobia, both are equally disgusting.
# Posted By citizen | 10/18/09 1:40 PM
Greed is not based on religion, caste or nationality. I am confident that the real america is not represented by the people who are spewing venom on this forum.

Wake up folks - I understand that our countrymen from India have committed frauds to enter US and to steal jobs fraudulently - they represent a small part. More than 95% of us are hard working genuine people and only wish good things to happen to US or any other part of the world.
# Posted By Samir Kumar | 10/18/09 11:16 PM
I read Spend Matters in part because the comments to Jason's posts are usually lively and interesting. I can't recall ever seeing comments as xenophobic as these.

I'm tempted to weigh in given that I spend three weeks a year in India, have staff there building my products, etc. But it strikes me that this post is no place to discuss India Inc. Jason, sign me up for some other forum if you're interested to discuss this particular topic.
# Posted By Don MacLennan | 10/19/09 3:53 AM
I'm an immigrant IT freelancer and have really broad view over the issue. You must realize that the investors driving this stupid costs saving rally on any price doesn't belong to any country whatsoever. They're just doesn't care of you are loosing your job. The majority of them are loyal only to their own interest. I used to work with knowledge workers of many nations and generally all of them had a pretty high standard of technical knowledge. Some of the guys from india are surely brilliant... as well as from serbia, russia, finland, holland, or any other land of the world. However the average of the US, german, swiss, holland, east european IT guys are much better than those from India, china but out of more than a billion comes more than from several millions. However the cultural differences are huge. Especially in sense of moral or loyalty. I'd never outsource any work related to national security to russia or china... even if in russian you can buy the best software developers on a very low price. But this is only one side of the coin. At least as bad, if not worst that HR was also outsourced opening a never seen corruption level combined with dilletancy.
Headhunter firms bribe hr managers in order to sell the most cheap personal they can find. Quality workers are forced to accept low wages or even doesn't considered. In the past I loved to work with IBM, HP, Sun, Oracle and other huge global players because of the extreme high standards. Recently I had to explain a support guy how to open and edit a config file on unix...
# Posted By fjimmy | 10/19/09 5:05 AM
Don,

You're on. I've already deleted a few of the nastier comments here, but I've left some of the others so that people can see how close-minded and nasty people can be. Why don't we plan for a more moderated forum on the discussion (which I'll kick off) where all views will be welcomed, but without the fiery racism and rhetoric we've seen in this thread. I'm all for giving a voice to different perspectives, but when it descends into this type of language and opinion, there's no point in even having a serious debate.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 10/19/09 5:55 AM
Don,

I decided not to sit still on the issue for long. Here are my thoughts:

Outsourcing and India -- Civilized Debate vs. Name Calling and Racism

http://www.spendmatters.com/index.cfm/2009/10/19/O...
# Posted By Jason Busch | 10/19/09 7:54 AM
before blaming India / Indians for being corrupt and for being responsible for all ills of this planet, please look at the guys that control USA...The same bunch of corrupt group that runs the govt. & wall street still even after causing such damage to entire world of hard working middle class...Is there any other nation that has shown such naked corruption, daylight robbery & shameless systematic looting of world's resources. I had great regard for America & everything about america till the dot com bust. Ever since, its just been one way road to hell...Slowly US will be stripped of its importance in the world and will be taken over by China & India...Just give us a decade or two...
# Posted By Ex H1B | 10/19/09 10:46 AM
I have been observing , with intrigue, that how any discussion relating to Outsourcing or Indians (these words can be used inter-changeably as Americans - from these comments - believe that in India the greatest and most supreme thing that an Indian can achieve is to 'steal' a mind-numbingly repetitive job from the U.S.) speedily devolves into breast-beating,name-calling and what we in the rest-of-the-world know as good ol' racism.I'm convinced beyond doubt that the US is probably the most tolerant and liberal country in the world.But that does not imply everyone is as tolerant as everybody else (well who would fill up the trailer parks then ?!) and some of the comments on this forum represent the very bottom of the barrel when it comes it logic,rationale and plain reasonableness.
Its not even worth refuting some of mind-boggling allegations here (But in all fairness - "Indian bankers are responsible for the financial crisis" takes the cake and the bakery with it!) so I shall leave it to the more discerning reader to sift fact from malicious lies.
As for those who lost their jobs - I guess there isn't much to analyze : Globalization is a 2 way street.
# Posted By D.Vader | 10/19/09 11:46 AM
Read the recent HBS piece from Zoe Chance and Michael Norton ("Rationalizing Questionable Preferences") to get a sense of how pervasive this sort of ethical problem really is. The idea that people that work at any company or public sector entity are immune to this sort of thing is a myth. It's encouraging to see that new attention is being focused on getting some of these corporate criminals. What's truly ironic is that, when you actually read the complaint, the insider information provided by Kumar about AMD actually lost money due to market timing issues!

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/6283.html
http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/10-018.pdf
# Posted By mark o'connor | 10/19/09 2:15 PM
Love the post from the American Indian. The one that lost her job to the economy and all that.

I must admit I did not t know that the Native Americans stood so staunchly on the side of the Indian-Americans.

Surely, that was the intent of the poster, right? Because as we all know, they are the "best and brightest"

I can't believe I have to post this, but here goes.

American Indian (obs.) = Native American (current) = "Red Indian" (Education system of India)

Yes, they teach them about the "Red Indians" that Columbus discovered.

Indian-American = Person from India living in America.

American Indian <> Indian-American

You want an easy mnemonic, it has to do with dots, and feathers. I'm happy to share.

P.S. there is already a visa for the "best and brightest" with NO CAPS.

The O-1 visa (for Aliens of Extraordinary Ability) is for those who can demonstrate sustained acclaim or recognition for achievements in science, education, business, etc.

It requires PROOF of the individual's extraordinary ability, but it only has to be 3 or more of the following:

o Evidence of high salary in relation to others in the field

o Authorship of scholarly books or articles

o Being cited in professional publications

o Participation on a panel or individually, as the judge of the work of others

o Membership in academic associations which require outstanding achievements

o Original scientific or scholarly research contributions

o Receipt of major prizes or awards

o Evidence of previous employment in an essential capacity for organizations having a distinguished reputation

Read about it:
http://www.oiss.yale.edu/visa/o1.htm

So, what's the problem with squashing the H-1B?!
# Posted By BigBadBill | 10/19/09 9:25 PM
Both accused (Anil Kumar) and accuser (the prosecutor) are Indian btw.
# Posted By shubho | 10/20/09 3:33 AM
I deleted some of the more virulent comments in this post and another related one. Others are on the line, but I've held off because of believing strongly in free speech. There is a difference between hateful and constructive criticism in this debate.

As to the rest which are on the line, I think it's important for everyone to see how racially motivated people can be. I'm personally dead set against any form of affirmative action, mind you, but I'm shocked at the level of hate here. Maybe I should rethink my policy stance. Oh, I forgot. In Chicago, Asians (including Indians) are held to a standard that exceeds that of whites (and far exceeds that of blacks and Hispanics) for competitive public high school admission. Shouldn't Indians -- and Indian Americans -- be afforded the same opportunity for their kids to go to the best schools as others? Ooops ... I forgot, they're not a protected minority, they're just a minority.

See the difference? Until we tackle this issue from a color and geographically blind perspective, there's no point in having it (and don't tell me for a minute our society singles out Indians for special hiring and admissions treatment like blacks and Hispanics -- we don't and in fact we often discriminate against them on the academic front). The short of my argument here is that those on the anti H1B side will continue to damage their arguments (not that I agree with them, but I do believe in constructive debate, and I hope they can get there) by making this such a hate filled discussion. Drop the racial overtones and show me from a new jobs perspective, from a lost jobs perspective, from a tax base perspective, etc. what your logic is.

Personally, I think we can thank much of the economic success stories in CA and the rest of the country in the past 20 years from Indians who decided to set up shop here. I wonder how many jobs they've created ... but of course, that's just my perspective.

That's it from me on this thread (and everyone else because I've closed out the comments on this post). If anyone from the anti H1B perspective wants to make a non-emotional business case for their argument and it's logical and well-reasoned, I'm open to printing it. Drop me a line.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 10/20/09 6:44 AM
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