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March 17, 2010

 

Ariba: Caught in the Trough

Dave Stephens has the scoop on another lackluster revenue quarter from Ariba. Clearly, Ariba remains caught in the On Demand revenue trough as it transitions traditional software license sales to recurring subscription revenue. The challenge on the revenue side of the software business makes sense to me. And I won't beat them up for it because I believe they are acquiring new customers and making significant inroads selling new solutions to existing ones. Moreover, On Demand is the right long-term business model. But I remain surprised that Ariba is not making up the revenue transition gap on the services front. Supply chain and procurement consulting -- much of it outside of category- and event-based sourcing -- is booming of late and Ariba has a golden opportunity here given their installed base and the need for solution based approaches to solving Spend Management challenges.

Many of the boutique firms -- not to mention the larger more established players -- are having banner years within the Spend Management services arena. And I've not even mentioned the rise of procurement outsourcing in this growth equation (where IBM and Accenture are both having good years). You can bet that Ariba's services and consulting opportunity will be on my list of questions as I head to Pittsburgh later this week for their industry analyst day. I plan to ask some tough questions, but I'll also be looking around the room to see if the other attendees really get the services and process side of Spend Management before I take off the gloves. (They should given that clients are paying them to understand it and services and content are so critical to Spend Management, but in my experience, few industry analysts really understand anything but the technology itself.)

- Jason Busch

Comments
From the marketplace...what we saw is that Ariba's On Demand solutions lack the full feature and functionality of their behind the firewall technology. Appearantly they have had to water down what they are bringing to market because they are so far behind...that is what we were told behind the scene. Further, we found that their approach to On Demand is not multi-tenant but rather hosting which of course is the approach that is most costly for us and seemed not scalable woth out us providing them with more money to buy more hardware.
# Posted By Bob A. Boey | 10/31/06 5:16 AM
Jason,

Looking at results within this sector over the last 2 years for companies such as Ariba, Verticalnet and many others, it's apparent that their switch to on demand has no transitioned as promised from a revenue side. Perhaps the competition within this sector is erroding the margins. Companies like Verticalnet often will release pr demonstrating saving millions for their clients (see, Delta) and yet they themselves are losing money at a sickening pace. I would assume we will see some consolidation, what are your thoughts.
# Posted By Investor | 10/31/06 5:33 AM
Mr. Boey (may I call you Bob?) - potentially one of the reasons that companies might "water down" the functionality of an OnDemand offering is to protect the pricing of their higher priced enterprise offerings. Also, as a past and present practicioner (as a vendor) of both multi-tenet and instance-based OnDemand solutions, IMHO both have their advantages and disadvantages, with multi-tenet seeming to work better when the user base is less-demanding, less complex small and medium companies, and instance-based working better for larger, global enterprises with their many integration, data and customization requirements. I think Salesforce is proving this right now...worked great for the little guy loading his contact list, but for the enterprise with many CRM-type requirements, customization, more data, etc. is required.

Investor - I'm thinking that one of the challenges to spend management vendors have with regard to delivering profitability is control of the variable cost services required to deliver of their solutions (data cleansing, catalogs, supplier enablement, process management, etc.). There has been little innovation with regard to utilizing technology to automate (and thus fix the costs) of these tasks. As proof, think of how catalogs are built, EDI deployed, auctions managed today by many of the most visible vendors (Ariba, Procuri, VerticalNet, etc.)...it really is no different than how they did in 3, 5 or in the case of catalogs, 10 years ago (punchout, ETL)!
# Posted By Gary Hare | 10/31/06 7:18 AM
Great thread, and great comments.

1) Margins: yes, they are falling like the leaves outside our office. Good for everyone in the long term, bad for some in the short term.
2) On demand/hosted solutions: good for some apps, not for others. How many times do we need to learn this lesson? 1976: not every application is appropriate for CICS. 2006: not every application is appropriate for on-demand web hosting.
3) Innovation: comes from small vendors, not large ones. True of any vertical.

Increasingly the answer for public companies that can't get out of the doldrums is to take them private, tear out the infrastructure that was created to support the growth that didn't happen, and restructure the company for long term revenue growth and profitability. A friend of mine has been busy doing this with small-to-medium-sized software companies for several years now, with remarkable results. It is amazing how many software companies are incredibly profitable if you cut them back to lean, mean fighting machines, focus on your customers, and manage for sustainable growth, rather than shooting for an improbable "hockey stick."
# Posted By Eric Strovink | 10/31/06 9:38 AM
Let's stop cutting Ariba a break on their supposed transition to on-demand. I've been hearing that for over a year now, but license revenue has gone down, subscription revenue is flat and deferred revenue is flat.

Look at Salesforce.com to see an on-demand model that is working because customers want it. Subscription revenue is up 64% YOY and 13% quarter over quarter. Deferred revenue is up 73% YOY and 11% quarter over quarter.

Jason, be careful when you make blanket comments like On Demand is the right business model. Maybe it is the only one that Ariba can try to fool the market with.
# Posted By BS | 10/31/06 12:45 PM
It's obvious that's Jason's sponsors are influencing his take. Instead of posting immediately on Ariba's dismal quarter, Jason delayed his post until the following week.

Ariba's results are nothing short of disasterous for the supposed market leader. Ariba is continually losing marquee clients to the "ERP" world, which despite Jason's continued bashing, actually has very robust procurement functionality.

Take in point Jason's glossy review of Ketera's "consumerized" web interface....Oracle actually introduced this concept to it's procurement and exchange products back in 2000 or 2001....5/6 years before Ketera's attempt. You might argue the point on execution (unlikely however), but the fact is Ketera is a functional & user interface follower not a leader.

Ariba is dying on the vine and they'll be extremely lucky if Oracle makes a huge mistake and acquires them....
# Posted By Agree w/ BS | 10/31/06 10:57 PM
Bull shit regarding sponsor influence. I had queued up all of the posts for the previous week already which is why this post was delayed. Also, the quarter was not noteworthy in my book, as I said. If they totally blew it away or missed it big time, I would have had something sooner.

I have always maintained strong editorial independence and continue to do so. Regarding Ariba, I have praised them (e.g., content and domain knowledge) and slammed them (e.g., executive compensation) over issues as appropriate. In addition, you fail to point out my criticism of Ariba's services revenue which should be much higher. Yes, I agree, the ERP providers are coming up to speed on the eProcurement -- and now the sourcing -- sides of the platform, but not the rest of the Spend Management process and content equation in my book. But as always, I'm open to being convinced otherwise (but certainly not by $$$), but by proof and references.
# Posted By Jason Busch | 11/1/06 4:07 AM
ahh, the slings and arrows of malcontent.
I know Jason is not biased towards Ariba because it's not in his best interest to be! He could have a field day ripping Ariba on all the things it is and it does: overly-conservative CEO, diminished role as an innovator, potentially flawed strategy of >5 businesses in one (btf apps, on-demand apps, BPO, trading network, consulting, etc.), weak coordination across its business units, etc. Yet, it doesn't help anyone to merely be provocative.
Equally, we should defend anyone's right to their opinions, and sometimes authors deserve to get dinged a little: Jason's coverage of Emptoris conference coverage, AMRs ranked of VerticalNet as #1 (not as bad as Forrester treatment of Frictionless or IDCs top ranking of FreeMarkets though!), etc. Yet, rants from other software vendors' senior/marketing executives hidden behind anonymous identities is merely mud-slinging (should BS be AS?), and while yours truly does not work for a software or consulting vendor and has to protect his secret identity for other reasons, I would encourage the same full disclosure as is expected/demand from Jason from the others. Kudos to Tim, Don, Gary, Paul, Eric, and all those who've come out of the virtual closet to opine. I wish I could do the same - sigh! oh well, a fool's errand is this blogging. back to the castle dungeon.
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# Posted By SpendFool | 11/1/06 7:16 AM
I was under the impression verticalnet sale was already done and ariba may not be far behind, perhaps someone sees some potential in the biz model despite the poor revenues from the last 2 years
# Posted By spendfan | 11/1/06 12:33 PM
Bob A Boey a.ka. Bubba fails to understand that FMKT which is part of Ariba now had multi-tenant model for the last 5 years and actually the first to market SaaS model in the Spend Management space.
# Posted By John Smith | 11/1/06 6:04 PM
Correction on the FreeMarket claim...It certainly was not the first to market a multi-tenant SaaS model in the "spend management" space. In early 2000, Oracle offered Oracle Exchange as an On Demand (=SaaS) offering, which included full multi-tenant eprocurement, sourcing and supplier catalog management functionality (exchange operation was a single tentant; suppliers & buying corps were multi-tentant). And I don't think Oracle was first -- other providers were in the market at the same time as well, some with multi-tenant on demand, others with single tenant options.

In addition, just because the old FMKT capability was multi-tenant does mean the new Ariba functionality is multi-tenant (and I'm not claiming it is or isn't). Retrofiting existing applications to multi-tentant can be extremely challenging - an area many application vendors have struggled with.

Bob's comments re: lacking full functionality are typical of what I've seen in many major teechnology/architecture shifts. The software vendor may decide that it's important to deliver a subset of "legacy" functionality in the new offering. Usually, this is a wise approach by the provider because it's extremely difficult to get it all correct in one shot (and any attempt would create major delays in the new offering). The result is a new solution, with a subset of functionality that is sufficient for a subset of customers...but others need to wait until the new offering catches up to the legacy application.
# Posted By Kevin Miller | 11/1/06 6:51 PM
Kevin - In 1997, TPN Register offered a fully-hosted, OnDemand multi-tenet suscription-based, web requisitioning system, with catalogs, forms, workflow, EDI...basically a "req-to-check" environment, but clients decided they couldn't risk having purchasing outside the firewall and preferred to pay millions to license and install Ariba, C1, Rightworks (remember them)...then Oracle Web Req's, SAP, etc. when the ERP's got into the act! TPN Register quickly dropped the requisitioning component and kept the supplier marketplace element and started selling to the installed base of Ariba, C1, Oracle, etc. Even worked with Oracle on a few accounts...GE, Boeing among then. Then Oracle came out with Exchange in 2000. Ariba Network was right behind it.

BTW, the main eprocurement guru at Oracle when they worked with TPN Register was named Kevin Miller...is that you, Kev?

If it is, Spend Matters readers might be interested to know that the Kevin Miller from Oracle, not some guy/girl at Ariba, actually invented punchout as we know it today. It was his idea to apply XML to the OBI spec, which is all punchout is. TPN and Oracle then used it to connect the TPN Marketplace to Oracle's iProcure application.
# Posted By Gary Hare | 11/8/06 4:38 PM
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